Wii U / 3DS sales thread

Discussion in 'Nintendo' started by Ex-Actarus, Dec 10, 2012.

  1. Ex-Actarus

    Ex-Actarus Well-Known Member

    Rather than derailling other thread ( as the Dark Souls 2 one ) by focusing to much on the Wii U sales, maybe it's better to have a thread for that subject alone.

    Now the Wii U has been released in North America, Europe and Japan. Even if it's too early to measure the success of the Wii U ( especially in Japan where the console has been sold from the 8th of December only ), but we can discuss the the first sales indications :

    - The Wii U had a strong first week in the US, with 425 K Wii U sold. It's less than the Wii number 6 years ago ( around 475 K ). This could be attributed to the shortage.

    - In Europe, we have the numbers from UK where the Wii U sold 40 K, that's a really low number in comparison with past consoles launch. Once again, the shortage could be a reason. in France however, the Wii U seems to to really well, it's pretty much sold out everywhere, but no numbers yet.

    - In Japan, there are also reports of shortages. We will have to wait for the Media Create numbers to have an idea of the performance of the Wii U at launch.

    US sales : http://uk.gamespot.com/news/wii-u-first ... ii-6401223

    UK sales : http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/nint ... uk-weekend

    Japan sales : http://japandailypress.com/nintendos-wi ... ch-1019573
  2. Juegos

    Juegos All mods go to heaven. Staff Member Moderator

    I haven't read much about it, but I liked the video our very own Cubits made about this.

  3. Ex-Actarus

    Ex-Actarus Well-Known Member

    He has some good points.

    The Charts are combining the multi platform titles.

    Beside the Wii U has been on the market for just 3 days when the charts were released.

    However, in the second week the sales declined and it seems Wii U were not on shortage this time around.

    We will have to wait for the whole month of december, to really have a good idea of the Wii U performance.

    Source : http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/black-op ... ts/0107853
  4. DarkKevit

    DarkKevit That old bloke from Crete...

    The 40K sales figure for the UK is for 2 DAYS, so times this by 3 and you prob have a more accurate figure for the 1st week. 120K for the UK is fine. and is prob higher population balanced than the US 1st week. There are 5 times more people in the US compared to the UK, and 5 X 120K would be far higher for the population than the US number.
  5. EvilTw1n

    EvilTw1n Even my henchmen think I'm crazy. Staff Member Moderator

    Y'know, I want the Wii U to do well (so I can keep getting Nintendo games), but it isn't like I'm personally attached to the company, so I'm only a semi-interested observer on this topic. That said...

    It seems obvious to me that Nintendo knew two things ahead of time with this console release:
    -- You can't catch lightning in a bottle twice in a row; replicating the Wii phenomenon is not really possible.
    -- As such, trying to dick around with demand too much isn't going to accomplish anything. They really might have been caught flat-footed with the Wii, but they have no excuse to be caught with barren shelves this holiday season.

    Also, they need a killer app. It isn't NintendoLand. ZombiU may be fantastic (I want to play a demo first), but it has limited appeal. It won't be Pikmin 3.
    Twilight Princess was a big deal because people had been hyped for that game since E3 2004. They still need that one game that makes people say "I must own the console to play that game on it."
  6. Juegos

    Juegos All mods go to heaven. Staff Member Moderator

    I think sales are relevant right now that the system is so early in, so it makes sense for it to be a thread. It likely won't stay so in the future, when we start caring only about the occasional NPD release.
  7. Ex-Actarus

    Ex-Actarus Well-Known Member

    I agree.

    There is no killer ap on the Wii U right now and that's an issue

    I mean the Wii launch with Twilight Princess, the killer ap for gamerz ; and Wii Sport the Killer ap for casual.

    Zombi U doesn't have the appeal of Twilight Princess.

    Nintendoland is clearly not a Wii Sport.

    New Super Mario Bros U is the real big title. But that game is more a long seller that will sell for years and not really the kind of title that gives a huge boost in consoles as Smash or a Pokemon.

    Once again, it's too early to judge the Wii U success. We need to see what will be the impact of the huge Nintendo franchise and how the Wii U will do against the 720 and PS4.


    There is not need to take the demographic in consideration here.

    We have records of the launch of all main consoles in UK.

    And the truth is that the Wii U DID NOT do well versus the 360, PS3, or even Vita !

    Now, as I said the shortage is probably to blame, but it seems that the Wii U is not sold out everywhere and you can find it on the high street.

    I'm just wondering if they are referring to the Basic model that only accounted for 10% of sales in Uk.

    I doubt that Nintendo shipped in Uk only 10% of Basic model.

    I think that consumers are avoiding the basic model.

    I think Nintendo needs to drop the price of the Basic model at some point. it doesn't worth 300 $ when for 50 $ dollars more you get SO MUCH more value with the Premium model.
  8. TechnoHobbit

    TechnoHobbit Ash nazg durbatulûk

    I guess I should post this here? (go here if you like fancy text http://technologyhobbit.blogspot.com/20 ... ate-1.html - I'm to lazy to format it here)

    Welcome to my new weekly Wii U sales update! This is your one stop place for everything Wii U sales, and I do mean everything [​IMG]

    Wii U
    First Week (18th-24th): 425,000+
    Second Week (25th-1st): 130,733*

    Total: 542,583*

    First 2 Days (30th-1st): 178,615*

    Total: 178,615*

    First 2 Days (8th-10th): 307,471*

    Total: 307,471*

    First 5 Days (18th-24th): 50,249*
    First Second Week (25th-1st): 16,114*

    Total: 66,363*

    Grand Total: 1,095,032 (yes 1 million).

    TechnoHobbit's Wise Thoughts: Awesome sales right now, I can see them surpassing the 5.5 Million they are aiming to get by the 31st of March.

    Games (games are listed in order of how many sales they have)

    1. Nintendo Land:
    First Week (18th-24th): 323,709*
    Second Week (25th-1st): 77,385*

    First 2 Days (30th-1st): 124,490*

    First 2 Days (8th-10th): 66,583*

    First Week (18th-24th): 57,125*
    Second Week (25th-1st): 33,922*

    Grand Total: 683,214*

    TechnoHobbit's Wise Thoughts: It's a pack-in game, so nothing is surprising here. 1 in 1.6 Wii U owners have this game.

    2. New Super Mario Bros. U:
    First Week (18th-24th): 243,000
    Second Week (25th-1st): 62,104*

    First 2 Days (30th-1st): 90,507*

    First 2 Days (8th-10th): 160,140*

    First Week (18th-24th): 47,002*
    Second Week (25th-1st): 25,694*

    Grand Total: 628,447

    TechnoHobbit's Wise Thoughts: Really good, 1 in 1.7 Wii U owners have this game, I could see this game becoming one of the best selling games of all time.

    3. ZombiU:
    First Week (18th-24th): 78,965*
    Second Week (25th-1st): 19,391*

    First 2 Days (30th-1st): 52,922*

    First 2 Days (8th-10th): 10,680*

    First Week (18th-24th): 13,935*
    Second Week (25th-1st): 12,037*

    Grand Total: 187,930

    TechnoHobbit's Wise Thoughts: It's not bad, but not the best either, thankfully it looks like it will sale really well in Europe, 1 in 5.8 Wii U owners have this game.

    4. Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
    Japan (8th-10th): 106,454*
    Grand Total: 106,454*

    5. Call of Duty: Black Ops II
    US (18th-1st): 64,137*

    Europe (30th-1st): 12,170*

    Other (18th-1st): 13,300*

    Grand Total: 89,607*

    6. Scribblenauts: Unlimited
    US (18th-1st): 60,113*

    Grand Total: 60,113*

    7. Just Dance 4
    US (18th-1st): 43,075*

    Europe (30th-1st): 5,495*

    Other (18th-1st): 8,496*

    Grand Total: 57,066*

    8. Batman: Arkham City
    US (18th-1st): 36,973*

    Europe (30th-1st): 8,345*

    Other (18th-1st): 7,883*

    Grand Total: 53,201*

    9. Assassin's Creed III
    US (18th-1st): 32,674*

    Europe (30th-1st): 9,636*

    Other (18th-1st): 7335*

    Grand Total: 49,645*

    10. Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed
    US (18th-1st): 26,418*

    Europe (30th-1st): 13,691*

    Other (18th-1st): 6,891*

    Grand Total: 47,000*

    11. Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two
    Grand Total: 41,036*

    12. ESPN: Sports Connection
    Grand Total: 33,007*

    13. Skylanders Giants
    Grand Total: 30,965*

    14. Tekken Tag Tournament 2
    Grand Total: 27,827*

    14. Sing Party
    Grand Total: 25,991*

    16. Mass Effect 3
    Grand Total: 23,726*

    17. FIFA 13
    Grand Total: 22,304*

    18. Darksiders II
    Grand Total: 16,853*

    19. 007 Legends
    Grand Total: 16,733*

    20. Transformers Prime
    Grand Total: 13,585*

    21. WipeOut 3 The Game
    Grand Total: 13,186*

    22. Game Party: Champions
    Grand Total: 12,970*

    23. Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper
    Grand Total: 7,252* (incomplete data)

    24. Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 2013
    Grand Total: 7,210*

    Overall Grand Total: 2,289,275

    TechnoHobbit's Wise Thoughts: Overall it's a really good launch, not as good as the Wii's, but way better than the Xbox 360's and PS3's.

    *includes unreliable data, from places like VGChartz (reliable places include NPD and are not marked).
    If you want more detailed data for any game just ask me! Also do you have any ideas to make this better? And of course, discuss!
  9. mattavelle1

    mattavelle1 ARMS is like breathing.......but more important Staff Member Moderator

    Wow! Awesome work TechnoHobbit. and those look like some solid numbers to boot [​IMG]
  10. TechnoHobbit

    TechnoHobbit Ash nazg durbatulûk

    Thanks! Yeah the numbers are really good, I was amazed by MHU already being the 4th best selling game after just 2 days!
  11. Ex-Actarus

    Ex-Actarus Well-Known Member

    Thanks TechnoHobbit !

    Stuning really [​IMG]

    I have to agree the sales are pretty good on the hardware front. Especially in US and Japan.

    However, i'm a bit surprised by the low score in Europe.

    I was expecting at least 300 K for the first week.

    Anyway, once again, December will be key, that's where most the Wii U sales will happen.

    Here are my predictions for December :

    US : 1.1 M
    Japan : 700 K
    Europe : 700 K
  12. TechnoHobbit

    TechnoHobbit Ash nazg durbatulûk


    @low-european-sales, you have to remember that this data was taken only 2 days after it launched in europe, so it still may have gotten 300,000 sales by the 7-day mark.

    @sales-predictions, That pretty much what I'm expecting, I'm sure it could sale more in japan, but the supply won't allow that.
  13. AniGamer

    AniGamer TNE Clan Owner

    The Wii U's sales will increase next year in my opinion. It's pretty successful so far.
  14. IplayWithMyWiiRocket

    IplayWithMyWiiRocket Member

    looks like nintendo is on track to hit their sales goal of 5.5 mil by the end of the launch window, march or whatever. i think that's a pretty good run if they meet their goal. not to shabby. cant wait until there are millions of wii-u's out there and see how miiverse really takes off.
  15. TechnoHobbit

    TechnoHobbit Ash nazg durbatulûk

    Welcome to the second weekly Wii U sales update! This is your one stop place for everything Wii U sales, and I do mean everything, but before we start lets go over a few things (and once again I was to kazy to format the text, so if you want fancy text go here: http://technologyhobbit.blogspot.com/20 ... ate-2.html):
    Sales Update Overview
    Unlike most sales updates, I use tons of different sources, and when more reliable sources come out, I replace the old sources. Meaning this is probably the most accurate up-to-date sales list around!
    This weeks changes
    When reliable data comes out, I will add a (****+) or a (****-) by the figures that will show how much was added or taken away from from the unreliable data (I also use it to show how much the grand total has gone up in the last 7 days).
    I have also added a Rank Change for the games that looks like this 000- or 000+

    Note: sales figures that have some data from VGChartz and other unreliable places are marked with a *

    Wii U
    First Week (18th-24th): 425,000+
    Second Week (25th-1st): 130,733*
    Third Week (2nd-8th): 152,872*

    Total: 695,455*

    First 2 Days (30th-1st): 178,615*
    Second Week (2nd-8th): 90,619*

    Total: 269,234*

    First Day (8th-9th): 308,570 (+1099)
    Second Week (10th-??): 126,916

    Total: 435,486* (128,015+)

    First 5 Days (18th-24th): 50,249*
    Second Week (25th-1st): 16,114*
    Third Week (2nd-8th): 60,431*

    Total: 126,794*

    Grand Total: 1,526,969 (431,937+).

    Games (games are listed in order of how many sales they have)

    1. 000+/- Nintendo Land:
    First Week (18th-24th): 323,709*
    Second Week (25th-1st): 77,385*
    Third Week (2nd-8th): 112,427*

    First 2 Days (30th-1st): 124,490*
    Second Week (2nd-8th): 71,663*

    First Day (8th-9th): 66,583

    First Week (18th-24th): 57,125*
    Second Week (25th-1st): 33,922*
    Third Week (2nd-8th): 31,506

    Grand Total: 898,810* (215,596+)

    2. 000+/- New Super Mario Bros. U:
    First Week (18th-24th): 243,000
    Second Week (25th-1st): 62,104*
    Third Week (2nd-8th): 78,511*

    First 2 Days (30th-1st): 90,507*
    Second Week (2nd-8th): 50,687*

    First Day (8th-9th): 160,140

    First Week (18th-24th): 47,002*
    Second Week (25th-1st): 25,694*
    Third Week (2nd-8th): 22,106*

    Grand Total: 779,751* (151,304+)

    3. 000+/- ZombiU:
    First Week (18th-24th): 78,965*
    Second Week (25th-1st): 19,391*
    Third Week (2nd-8th): 23,942

    First 2 Days (30th-1st): 52,922*
    Third Week (2nd-8th): 25,719

    First 2 Days (8th-10th): 10,680

    First Week (18th-24th): 13,935*
    Second Week (25th-1st): 12,037*
    Third Week (2nd-8th): 8,412

    Grand Total: 246,003* (58,073+)

    4. 001+ Call of Duty: Black Ops II
    US (18th-8th): 77,570* (13,433+)

    Europe (30th-1st): 21,157* (8,987+)

    Other (18th-1st): 13,300* (3,834+)

    Grand Total: 115,861* (26,254+)

    5. 001- Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
    Japan: 106,454

    Grand Total: 106,454

    6. 000+/- Scribblenauts: Unlimited
    US (18th-8th): 76,749* (16,636+)

    Other (18th-8th): 13,545 (----+/-)

    Grand Total: 90,294* (----+/-)

    7. 000+/- Just Dance 4
    US (18th-8th): 57,249* (14,174+)

    Europe (30th-1st): 12,251* (6,756+)

    Other (18th-8th): 12,097* (3,601+)

    Grand Total: 81,597* (24,531+)

    8. 000+/- Batman: Arkham City
    US (18th-8th):47,113* (10,140+)

    Europe (30th-8th): 13,762* (5,417+)

    Other (18th-8th): 7,883* (2,671+)

    Grand Total: 71,429* (18,228+)

    9. 001+ Sonic & Sega All-Stars Racing Transformed
    US (18th-8th):36,647* (10,229+)

    Europe (30th-8th): 23,926* (10,235+)

    Other (18th-8th): 10,353* (3,462+)

    Grand Total: 70,935* (23,935+)

    10. 001- Assassin's Creed III
    US (18th-8th): 42,161* (9,487+)

    Europe (30th-8th): 14,369* (4,733+)

    Other (18th-8th): 9,779* (2,444+)

    Grand Total: 66,309* (16,664+)

    11. 000+/- Disney Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 53,648* (12,612+)

    12. 000+/- ESPN: Sports Connection
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 43,134* (10,127+)

    13. 000+/- Skylanders Giants
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 37,815* (6,850+)

    14. 000+/- Tekken Tag Tournament 2
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 34,820* (6,993+)

    14. 000+/- Sing Party
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 32,629* (6,638+)

    16. 000+/- Mass Effect 3
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 28,341* (4,615+)

    17. 000+/- FIFA 13
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 28,128* (5,824+)

    18. 000+/- Darksiders II
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 22,060* (5,207+)

    19. 000+/- 007 Legends
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 21,118* (4,385+)

    20. 000+/- Transformers Prime
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 18,443* (4,858+)

    21. 000+/- WipeOut 3 The Game
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 18,093* (4,907+)

    22. 000+/- Game Party: Champions
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 15,798* (2,828+)

    23. 001+ Your Shape: Fitness Evolved 2013
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 9,642* (2,432+)

    24. 001- Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper
    Grand Total (18th-8th): 8,062* (810+) incomplete data

    Overall Games Sold Grand Total: 2,921,708 (632,433+)

    But wait, there's more to the story than just the retail sales data. Most of the games are also sold in the eShop (sadly Nintendo doesn't disclose actual sales numbers):
    1. Nano Assault Neo
      Trine 2: Director’s Cut
      New Super Mario Bros. U
      Mighty Switch Force HD
      Little Inferno
      Sonic & All-Stars Racing Transformed
      Scribblenauts Unlimited
      Assassin’s Creed 3
      Chasing Aurora
      Darksiders 2
      Nintendo Land
      Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor’s Edge
      Tekken Tag Tournament 2
      Epic Mickey 2: The Power of Two
      Warriors Orochi 3 Hyper
      Madden NFL 13
      Just Dance 4
      Rabbids Land
      FIFA 13[/*:m][/list:eek:]

      Games Sold Per Console: 1.91340361199

      And now for my thoughts:
      This week was good, I like how the sales are picking back up, I hope this continues as we get closer to Christmas.
      If you want more detailed data for any game just ask me! Also do you have any ideas to make this better? And of course, discuss!
  16. mattavelle1

    mattavelle1 ARMS is like breathing.......but more important Staff Member Moderator

    WOW those numbers are looking solid! Again excellent work Techno [​IMG] . Im one of the Tekken Tag2 numbers lol
  17. thelittlelaughingman

    thelittlelaughingman Electromaster

    It's looking pretty good. [​IMG]
  18. IplayWithMyWiiRocket

    IplayWithMyWiiRocket Member

    looking good so far. if they keep on track, they should hit their goal of units sold by the end of launch window. around 5.5 mil i believe. i think they can hit it. either way, i'm happy i got mine at launch, lol, haha.
  19. Ex-Actarus

    Ex-Actarus Well-Known Member

    The Wii U won't achieve to reach the 5.5 million target at this rate for March 2013...

    According to VGchartz the Wii U sold 69 K in Europe, while the PS3 sold 300 K. The Wii U sold less than the Wii and at the level of the DS and Vita...

    There are NO SHORTAGE in Europe. So the numbers are BAD ! REALLY BAD !

    In US the number are not better... 176 K for the Wii U while the 360 solf more than 500 K !!! The Wii U is selling as much as the Wii. Not good !

    The only good news is the Japan, where the Wii U is having a strong launch comparable to the Wii.

    The Wii U launch is "horribly" looking like the 3DS one.

    It seems that playing it safe for Nintendo has been devastating !

    Besides games are not selling well apart from New Super Mario Bros U, the games not bundled ( as Nintendoland, Zombie in Europe and Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate in Japan ) are not selling at all...

    This won''t help with the support from 3rd party devs.

    Nintendo REALLY needs to step up with MAJOR 1st party titles in Q2 and Q3 2013, Pikmin 3 WILL NOT be a killer ap for the Wii U.

    Now the 720 and PS4 are around the corner with rumored HUGE titles for launch like Metal Gear Ground Zero, Destiny or Battlefied 4.

    Why not bringing straight away the big lions like the Retro Game or a 3D Mario ? New Super Mario Bros U, despite good reviews, seems to suffer from some franchise fatigue...

    This is not good.

    If Nintendo is shy from his 5.5 million targets, Iwata could be at risk this time...
  20. DarkKevit

    DarkKevit That old bloke from Crete...

    there is so much wrong with this post I am not even going to argue with it. And LMFAO at at quoting VGChartz figures. That site is TOTAL bullshit. Really. [​IMG]
  21. IplayWithMyWiiRocket

    IplayWithMyWiiRocket Member

    i agree with Darkkevit.

    the wii-u is selling almost as much as the original wii did during this same time frame. just a tiny bit less. and all console launches dont sell as much as previous gen consoles during the same time period ( especially since it launched during the holiday season when the sales of the other consoles will be at there highest ) and for as many consoles are out there, some of the games are selling pretty good. you have to remember that there isnt 60 million wii-u's out there, and expecting any of the launch games to put up numbers as if there was, is not a reasonable expectation to have.

    you also have to remember that there are like 29 games at launch, so the games are fighting for sales from each other, and of all those 20 something games released at launch, there are more then a handful of really good games to choose from. you cant base the success of the games from just a month on the market, especially launch games. these games will have legs, because the more systems sold, the more potential buyers out there.
  22. TechnoHobbit

    TechnoHobbit Ash nazg durbatulûk

    Read the bold.
  23. TechnoHobbit

    TechnoHobbit Ash nazg durbatulûk

    I'd like to report that I made a mistake with the US sales for week 3, in that week the Wii U sold 145,229, not 152,872. Bringing the US total down to 687,812, and the world total down to 1,519,326.

    Anyway get ready for a new update on Saturday!
  24. Ex-Actarus

    Ex-Actarus Well-Known Member


    Great to have you back in the thread [​IMG]

    But I disagree with you on several points.

    On the Eurepean sales, I think that the situation is dramatic and NOWHERE near the Wii situation. And this on 3 specific points :
    - The Wii U is NOT in shortage
    - The software sales are bad ( not even close to Twilight princess of Red Steel )
    - The Wii DID NOT sell less than the GC

    Of course it's normal for new system to sell less current gen console, mainly because of the limited stock. But the Wii U doesn't have that problem. The sales are just bad. Selling at the level of the DS or Vita ( pretty much 2 dead systems ) is worryng...

    If yoou have numbers for the Wii launch, bring them. But I would be surprised if the Wii was outsold 5 to 1 by the PS2 in Europe...

    Regarding the 3DS, I think you're reffering to the situation in Japan where the 3DS is indeed on a record breaking pace. But that's NOT the case in Europe and the US. The DS was selling nearly 30 million units a year worldwide. The 3DS is not even close to that level. The 3DS won't repeat the DS success in Europe and the US, the impact of smartphone and tablet is too important. And again SOFTWARES sales are not as good. How many 3DS title can you see in the European and US charts ?

    Fiannly, for the 720 and the PS4, as I mentionned, everything is showing that HUGE titles will be there at launch. This is garanteed ! We know that Destiny is supposed to launch in 2013 and same for Battlefied 4. And you can be sure that does games won't be simple ports of 360/PS3 games as Assassin's Creed 3 or Blops 2 were on Wii U...

    So I expect Nintendo to bring bug guns. I expect Mario Kart - a true system seller and not a long seller as the New Super Mario bros series - and the Retro game. Nintendo will need that to compete.
  25. TechnoHobbit

    TechnoHobbit Ash nazg durbatulûk

    The Wii.. was something special. Comparing something to it, is going to make any--besides the DS's (even that was lower)--launch look bad. As for the other consoles outselling it, that's because they are way cheaper--at least that's the only reason I can think of. Because even with the lower sale in EU, the Wii U still is the third best first 4 weeks in terms of sales:
    I still think it's to early to say the PS4 and 720 will have a better launch, but who knows?
  26. Juegos

    Juegos All mods go to heaven. Staff Member Moderator

    That chart makes it look like Nintendo hit the right spot for the pricing: not quite the super cheap bargain the Wii was, but not an overpriced system like the 3DS, therefore it won't require a price drop for quite a while.
  27. nerdman

    nerdman pig's gotta fly

    It's funny how people will take anything from Europe sales to seeing the console at the store and try to spin as bad sales. Wii U is doing fine.
  28. EvilTw1n

    EvilTw1n Even my henchmen think I'm crazy. Staff Member Moderator

    OK. So we've all heard people saying "I've seen consoles at my Wal-Mart, so it's not selling." How on Earth is doubling the 360's launch and coming within 200K consoles of the Wii (which was a global phenomenon) not a great launch?
  29. NintendoMan

    NintendoMan Active Member

    It's even more interesting since the older consoles all came out and sold during good economic times, something the Wii U doesn't have help with. Plus, a report was just released that shows 2012 is the weakest holiday retail sales since 2008. Who knows how many records would have been shattered if more people could afford it as in '05-'06. Clearly doomed.
  30. Ex-Actarus

    Ex-Actarus Well-Known Member

    The Wii U sales are good. But it's nothing spectacular.

    The Wii U sales a great in Japan, Good in the US and average in Europe ( poor in UK ).

    But "once again" the issue in the Wii U are the sales of the softwares And on ALL territories, the sales have been POOR !

    On the Wii, the sales of first party and 3rd party titles were really good. Twilight Princess had stellar sales while Raving Rabbids and Call of Duty 3 had respectable sales from a 3rd party prospective. On Wii U, the initial sales figures for 3rd party titles are poor.

    Let's take Black Ops 2 for example, the biggest game of the year. Until now the game sold 116 K globally according to Vgchartz. Call of Duty 3 in 2006 sold 140 K on Wii during the first 6 weeks "just in the US"... in 2006 Call of duty wasn't the huge brand it is today. I don't think Nintendo and Activision will be pleased with those poor sales.

    What about the 80 K for Assassin's Creed 3 ? I don't think Ubi Soft expected such low sales for such high profile title.

    Those are the numbers that matters... Because if those numbers are that low, 3rd party devs won't see the necessity to invest for games on Wii U. if the sales of games like Batman Arkham City, Fifa or Mass Effect 3 are low, that's another story. Those are ports of game nearly a 1 year old ( and bad ports by the way ). But Black Ops 2 and Assassin's Creed 3 were on par with the 360/PS3 versions, both Activisation and Ubisoft clearly worked to make proper ports for Wii U owners.

    It seems that Wii U owners are only playing Mario U ( million seller already... WOW ), Nintendoland, Zombie U and Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate HD ( in Japan ). Is the Wii U shaping up itself to be "another" Nintendo first party machine ? I really hope not...

    Of course it's too early to take conclusion, but let's say that this is not looking good for 3rd party support on Wii U... Nintendo has a full year to adjust its strategy in order to make 3rd party games succesful on Wii U.
  31. EvilTw1n

    EvilTw1n Even my henchmen think I'm crazy. Staff Member Moderator

    Well, no. For the hardware itself, Wii U sales are more than good. They're almost in league with the Wii's launch. That's pretty staggering, and that's what was being discussed up there.

    On software, yes, it can be a head scratcher. I wouldn't necessarily use COD as a barometer for success, though. You're right that COD wasn't the name it is today back in 2006, but it has built itself on an audience than owns PS3 and 360 consoles. I doubt many will pay an extra $300 to play the same game on a Nintendo console, especially for people paying for XBL subscriptions. That ain't happening.

    I would've thought AC's audience would have been a bit more open, but that doesn't appear to be the case, either.
    (In a nut shell, so far the Wii U has gotten old ports and multiplats readily available to people who own consoles fully capable of playing them. It does beg the question of why invest in a new console specifically for those games? The question answers itself, really.)

    However, using VGChartz for early sales figures isn't really a very good idea, to begin with. Long-term, they will get their numbers in the ballpark (sometimes), but not always (that recent feature Kotaku has with XSEED says as much). To wit, I remember checking on VGC to compare sales for Red Steel with RS2 at the sequel's launch; they had the original Red Steel listed as selling a million copies, and they had it showing that for awhile. Now? Not so much. They revised it down significantly, years
    after the game's release.

    I'm not saying that third party sales are burning up the U's charts; far from it. But we're better off listening to third party comments than trusting VGC. I used to give them much more benefit of the doubt, but after seeing how much they nerfed RS's sales (after it had been out for years), I'm much more skeptical of the formula they use for estimating.
  32. Ex-Actarus

    Ex-Actarus Well-Known Member

    I agree Mike D, Vgchartz numbers are not scientific but they give a good estimate.
    And if we take in consideration those estimates, the Wii U numbers are - once again - Good in the US, Great in Japan and Average in Europe.

    The Wii U in Europe IS NOT DOING WELL, that's a fact ! Just take a look at the software numbers, games like Nintendoland or Zombi U are not in the top of the chartz. We're talking about bundled games, if they're not in the chartz, it's because the console is not selling well. Period.

    In Japan the Wii U is doing as well as the Wii and Mario U as well as Wii Sport. That's a fantastic start over there !

    In the US, the Wii U sales are good, but they did not have ANY impact on the PS3 or 360 sales.
    Actually, it seems that the Wii U had a negative impact on the 3DS which is selling considerably less than last year ( twice less in november according to NPD ).

    Nintendo wants to sell 5.5 million Wii U by the end of March 2013. At this stage it looks unlikely and I expect Nintendo to revise their expectations after the holidays seasons. 4 to 4.5 million seems more likely.

    Let's not forget that the Wii situation was different. The Wii was sold out for MONTHS ! This won't be the case with the Wii U. I don't expect the Wii U to sell well after the holidays with not a single major release in the next 6 months. Pikmin 3 and Rayman Legends will be great hits for the platform, but they won't be killer aps. So the sales will drop drastically after the holidays. We won't see those 700 K numbers/month "outside" holidays season the Wii was able to achieve ONLY in the US !!!

    Besides, I think Nintendo will also need to address the situation with the Basic model. That model is not not selling at all !!! Either they should drop the price ( after E3 for example ) or include Nintendoland in the bundle.
  33. NintendoMan

    NintendoMan Active Member

    Source? I work in a related field and have access to stock level info in NA. Both models were either sold out or very low stock by Christmas. And selling the higher model more is a GOOD thing. Especially since this console has sold more at launch than every recent console sans Wii, which was launched with only one model. And again, this is all more impressive since the economy is bad.
  34. EvilTw1n

    EvilTw1n Even my henchmen think I'm crazy. Staff Member Moderator

    This is true, but the Wii also couldn't stay in stock because Nintendo simply wasn't able to keep up with demand. It seems that they've ramped up production significantly to satisfy demand with the Wii U. It kinda lends credence to Nintendo being caught a bit off guard with just how huge the original Wii was.
  35. IplayWithMyWiiRocket

    IplayWithMyWiiRocket Member

    just because you see wii-u's on store shelves doesnt mean it isnt selling well. what it does mean, is that nintendo is keeping stores in stock which is a good thing.
  36. mulder1617

    mulder1617 New Member

    Now they are reporting that sales for the Wii U at Gamestop have dipped big time. I don't think it was because they had a weak launch list. I think it was because not enough people knew about it, price for the system was a little steep, word got around about the two hour update time upon purchase, and a lot of people were hanging on to their Wii still so they could transfer all of their game saves and Wii shop channel info. before they could trade their Wii in. Games selling at a MSRP of $60 is pretty common for next gen systems and so people shouldn't whine about that. Analysts like Michael Pachter (who I interviewed recently) have always been bullies and have made numbers up in their heads just to make the Big N look bad. Only time will tell. [​IMG]
  37. NintendoMan

    NintendoMan Active Member

    Gamestop account for only a fraction of where games are sold. Most people don't buy their game stuff at Gamestop, especially Nintendo stuff.
  38. Ex-Actarus

    Ex-Actarus Well-Known Member

    Gamestop is a huge barometre.

    The pattern will be the same in the other stores.

    I don't see why so many people want the deny the obvious, the Wii U is not selling as good as we could have expected.

    Sales are below Gamestop expectations and I pretty sure the sales are also below Nintendo's expectations.

    Nintendo has been REALLY quiet, that's NEVER a good sign.

    But because the Wii U is not selling as good as expected, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THE WII U IS DOOMED.

    Too many Nintendo fans are straight away on the defensive when a game or a console don't sell that good.

    The Wii U will bounce back when the big games will arrive. NO DOUBT THERE.
  39. NintendoMan

    NintendoMan Active Member

    Sorry, but Gamestop is NOT where most Nintendo consoles are sold. It seems you don't like that fact and can't swallow it. For a console that has sold almost as much as the original Wii at launch, you're trying very hard to make it seem like bad news. Even Gamestop is fine with their numbers, just not doing back-flips. Are you related to Pachter?
  40. IplayWithMyWiiRocket

    IplayWithMyWiiRocket Member

    gamestop sucks. i HATE when i have to go there. i feel like punching the guys face in behind the counter sometimes.
  41. Ex-Actarus

    Ex-Actarus Well-Known Member

    It doesn't matter where Nintendo sells the most consoles.

    it's aboslutely retarted to claim that if a Nintendo console don't sell at Gamestop, they will sell somewhere else.

    If Gamestop wasn't that important for Nintendo why they would "bother" to release Xenoblade "EXCLUSIVELY" for Gamestop ?

    Why Nintendo did a patnership with Gamestop to present the details of the Wii U launch in September, if Gamestop did not matter ?
  42. NintendoMan

    NintendoMan Active Member

    I never said "Gamestop" doesn't matter. They're just not nearly as big as you want people to believe. And how does the exclusive Xenoblade thing prove anything? In fact it proves the opposite of what you want. They knew the limited to games nature of Gamestop is best for Xenoblade's limited core audience to sell the limited number of copies they made. Your just don't want to accept the fact that this was a good launch. Fine with me. You want to turn one company/analyst and their expectation that wasn't met into a failure, fine. Just don't put words in my mouth. [​IMG]

    ps: I think you should go work for Gamestop. You seem to agree with the myth that they are some holy shrine for mature gamers. You'd fit right in with their anti-Nintendo employee attitudes.

    Gamestop could disappear tomorrow and the gaming sales would move on just fine.
  43. TechnoHobbit

    TechnoHobbit Ash nazg durbatulûk

    Hmm.... I should make another sales update, I'm 3 week behind...... Glancing at VGChartz it looks like it's around 2.5 mil......
  44. Ex-Actarus

    Ex-Actarus Well-Known Member

    You should really try to grow up.

    It's not because I say negative thing about Nintendo Wii U launch, that I'm anti-Nintendo...

    If you are a true Nintendo fan, then you should be able to be critical.

    That's important, otherwise Nintendo will never evolve or change.

    We'll discuss again when Nintendo assesses the Wii U launch numbers and their projections.

    As I said Nintendo planned to sell 5.5 million Wii U by the end of the current fiscal year, if they sold 2.5 million Wii U until now, I don't see how on Earth they would sell 3 million Wii U in January, They will have to resive the projections.
  45. Cubits

    Cubits Well-Known Member

    The Japanese use the end of March as their fiscal year's deadline. Not sure if they'll still make that target, it's a while off still, but they'll be a lot closer than you were thinking.
  46. Juegos

    Juegos All mods go to heaven. Staff Member Moderator

    Yeah I was going to point to the same thing.
  47. IplayWithMyWiiRocket

    IplayWithMyWiiRocket Member

    they might be able to reach it. even if they come really close, like 5 mil instead of the 5.5 mil they projected, that's still really good. they are only behind the original wii by a little bit, and considering how well that system did, this is still good news. depends on what happens going forward, but they still have a chance to make it.

    and nintendo has been holding its cards close to it's chest after anything outside launch window. do people really think that they have no games in dev or anything? my bet it that they are working on many games, and will be announcing them soon and at E3 to combat the other two at that show. they have games up their sleeves for sure, and with how cutthroat the industry is, this may be their best bet, i just hope it doesnt backfire on them. but really, most of nitnendo's teams have been making games since 2 years ago without a peep of what it is they are making, so to think that the big n has nothing in store for the rest of the year is absurd to say the least. i have a feeling that we will be pleasantly surprised by what we get shown in the coming months.

    this year and especially the last few months will be very exciting indeed. i cant wait to see what monolith is working on, the rest of nintendo's teams, and some indie devs. ESPECIALLY retro. i really really really hope they finally got the chance to make an original IP, and hell they can still make a known IP in the same time if they have a big enough team. IMO, retro should start pumping out more games then they usually do this gen. hire some talented people, and get to work on multiple projects so we dont see just a couple games a gen from them. they have the ability to become one of the best devs under nintendo, and they need to start banging good games out more often.
  48. NintendoMan

    NintendoMan Active Member

    5 instead of 5.5 is a success turned into a failure? That's some grown up thinking there... Worse than Pachter. Keep buying that Nintendoom stock, kid. [​IMG]
  49. Ex-Actarus

    Ex-Actarus Well-Known Member

    Here is what Iwata said regarding Wii U sales.

    "At the end of the Christmas season, it wasn't as though stores in the U.S. had no Wii U left in stock, as it was when Wii was first sold in that popular boom," "But sales are not bad, and I feel it's selling steadily."

    This is line with what we've been saying for weeks ! That the Wii U sales were not that great. If Iwata says that there "not bad'... That's not really the sign of great sales there... But this was obvious with ALL the charts showing poor sales of softwares ( expect Mario and the bundled games ). A clear indication that hardwares sales weren't spectacular.

    Let's just hope, Nintendo comes with a Nintendo Direct soon to announce ( maybe tomorrow in that Pokemon Nintendo Direct ). Once again, we need more than Pikmin 3...

    Source : http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/arch ... teady.aspx
  50. Cubits

    Cubits Well-Known Member

    Firstly, the japanese (particularly iwata) understate everything, not bad isn't a spin on not good.

    Secondly, the supply of WiiU consoles has been significantly larger than that of the Wii's launch, so of course the shelves were going to be stocked unless it outsold the Wii (and face it, that kind of fervour is not going to happen again any time soon). And i don't think it's as simple as "get better marketing", the WiiU is a geniunely more difficult product to hype than the Wii was, MANY game-news followers and journalists were thrown off by how good the gamepad felt to use.

    Thirdly, "ALL the charts" means what, UK sales? You do realise the UK charts bundle multiplatform titles together, right? The few exclusives in there are sequels to big-selling franchises, selling to a massive established install base. There's no way for an emerging console's exclusives to stay competitive in those charts, even if they do perform admirably. And if you discount mario and the bundled games, then you're left with multiplatform titles which roll in with the others!

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