All The Things You Aren't Supposed to Talk About : Politics, Religion, & Money! && Grammar!!

Discussion in 'Community Hang-Out' started by simplyTravis, Mar 5, 2016.

  1. simplyTravis

    simplyTravis "A nice guy, but looks like a f'n Jedi!"

    The CT is a great place to chat about all things but I notice some issues aren't always welcome. In fact, I remember learning as a kid that there were three things you never talked about when you have company: Politics, Religion, & Money! Well, the hell with that I say! Let's make this a "safe space" for those of us who don't mind getting into those topics.

    With that being said, please lay off personal attacks and keep in mind that your highly individualized and heartfelt belief may be held for a good reason but that may be true for someone who disagrees with you. I'm sure someone will get angry at someone else but at the end of the day we are still brothers in arms of the console wars. Viva Nintendo!
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  2. simplyTravis

    simplyTravis "A nice guy, but looks like a f'n Jedi!"

    So, a little background info on who I am. I'm a Catholic conservative that leans somewhat socially liberal but believes that social issues should be taken care of at a state level. I'm very pro-states right because I live in the great state of Texas...so duh! I'm a former anarcho-pacifist who has friends that range from communist to neo-pagan to socialist to uber-conservatives to libertarians to various types of Christians to Muslims and Hindus; but not Nazi's cause screw those guys.

    I'm extremely anti-KKK and any sort of racist groups because I live in a town known for being very racist and have actively worked for years to help fix the problem. I also am afraid to state exactly where I live because of how people react in my area to what has been done in the past.

    I'm very anti-communism after studying various movements/history and also dealing with those types in the past during my anarcho-pacifist days. I usually see socialist and communists using anarchists as useful idiots to cause a loss of control that can only be brought back in with a strong, totalitarian hand.

    I've done some work in political cartooning and stopped after death threats in college when making a political cartoon involving suicide bombing. I aaaalmost had my own radio show on a local am station talking politics in the past.

    Nowadays I keep tight lipped for the most part when I'm online except for certain places in fear of backlash online. I may go back into political cartooning anonymously but not outright.

    Ok..I think that's a good starting point on where I stand. I'm kind of a Heinz 57 of political thought processes.
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  3. simplyTravis

    simplyTravis "A nice guy, but looks like a f'n Jedi!"

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  4. Goodtwin

    Goodtwin Well-Known Member

    My spiritual beliefs are tied to Christianity. Im a little different though, because I beleive the Bible has plenty of scripture that is not to be taken literally. It was still written by mortal men, and that means it was their interpretation of the events they witnessed. The lessons are all there, but I dont believe its as black and white as many Christians do. The scripture wasnt written in English, but Hebrew. That alone gives reason to beleive that lost in translation is a factor. Things like the earth was created in seven days is not to be taken litterally in my opinion. Seven days to God could be billions of years to us.
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  5. simplyTravis

    simplyTravis "A nice guy, but looks like a f'n Jedi!"

    Y'know I always enjoy the discussion over the language in which the Bible was written. Catholics generally look for the Greek translations because at the time of piecing together the New Testament they had it written in Greek. The lack of Macabees and the idea of purgatory in the King James version tends to derive from a lack of finding a Hebrew version so it was taken out when Protestantism formed.

    I'm with you though on the non-literal stuff. The idea of a "day" to God could be eons. We base our day on the Earth revolving. How long does it take for the universe to revolve for His one day?
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  6. mattavelle1

    mattavelle1 Fresh starts now Staff Member Moderator

    http://www.amazon.com/God-Wrote-Book-James-MacDonald/dp/1581346220

    This was the best book I have read about following the translations of the Bible, how they happened, and where they are now.

    Now I'm no scholar so it was a ton of info in there that was very technical. But I think it's the devinitive book showing how and when the different translations of the Bible happened. And it was laid out very very simply to where I did understand most of it.
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  7. simplyTravis

    simplyTravis "A nice guy, but looks like a f'n Jedi!"

    So...one of the more controversial funny things I've watched recently. Very NSFW due to strong potentially offensive language at times.

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  8. MANGANian

    MANGANian Megalomaniacal Robo-Zombie

    I guess I should give some insight on my own religious standings myself: I have none.

    I was born into a highly religious, Christian family. Family virtues and religion was ingrained into me from the beginning, and since Trinidad is a country filled with a lot of different culture, I'm constantly exposed to every form of it throughout my life here. At the time I fully believed in what was told to me, but I am a very curious human, so at an early age I end up questioning the concept. That lead to a lot of doubts.

    No matter who I ask, among pastors and followers alike the answers they gave me has never been substantial. The first thing that's always said to me is "because the bible says..." Of course, I began as a religious human, so I was trying my hardest to believe. I read the Bible completely, a total of three times. The old testament and the new testament always stood out as having completely different concepts compared to the others; the book of Revelation felt like something else entirely. But what made me eventually stop believing, was the concept of the Devil. I won't go into any detail concerning this.

    A Buddhist classmate of mine during my school days once asked me if I was an atheist. I didn't know what that was, and he explained to me. I told him no. It didn't feel quite right and the term agnostic doesn't fit me either. The only thing I completely believe in is myself. I'm open to the possibility of a celestial being existing, but I have no reason to believe the thing exist.
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  9. theMightyME

    theMightyME Editor in Chief of TVEnthusiast

    so this is something I always like to bring up

    atheism, theism, and agnosticism are not religions... they are words nothing more

    atheism literally means the disbelief in god, NOTHING else can be grouped with the term, theism is the opposite, but does NOT mean christianity, it is just a generic catch all term, not a religion

    agnostic means without knowledge... that is ALL, being agnostic does not mean you aren't sure if god does or does not exist... by itself it actually has nothing to do with god at all... it ONLY means without knowledge... just as Gnostic means with knowledge...

    in the case of religion... "knowledge" is used to mean certainty...

    I am an Agnostic Atheist... meaning I do not believe in god, but I have no certainty from which to declare there is not one.

    I imagine (as I cannot speak for him) that matt is a gnostic theist... meaning he believes in god, and is certain of god's existance

    agnostic atheist and Gnostic theist are NOT religions...

    first off, I have NO religion, there ARE Atheist religions... LaVey Satanism for example is an Atheistic religion... I am not a LaVey Satanist, nor do I subscribe to ANY atheistic system of beliefs... I am only an atheist because I do not believe their is a god

    a Gnostic Theist is also not necessarily part of a religion, though they could be.... and Gnostic theist isn't even a category of religion... as somebody could simply believe in a higher power without identifying that power and the rules and doctrine that power imparts

    their are gnostic atheist as well.... I would say that most followers of Atheistic religions like LaVey Satanism are gnostic, and I would say that a lot of the hard science religious debaters (like Dawkins) is as well, despite him not being part of a religion.

    basically, everyone in the world falls into 1 of these 4 categories

    Agnostic Atheist
    Gnostic Atheist
    Agnostic Theist
    Gnostic Theist

    none of those are religions, they are just words with definitions... like biological sex versus gender... a trans Female (born male) may identify as a female in gender, but her biological sex is male.... think of gender as religion, and sex as definition in this example.... You CHOOSE to be Christian, but you do not CHOOSE to be Theist... you either are or you are not.... it isn't biological, so it CAN change, but you don't chose what the change is, you don't make that choice, it is your core instinct... religion is the choice

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    politically, I would like to imagine myself as a Libertarian... I romanticize the idea of Libertarian-ism... but I am more fiscally liberal than that....

    I mainly identify with Libertarian beliefs when it comes to social issues... but even there, I am not absolutist.... I think Marijuana should be legal, but I am not certain ALL drugs should be, for example. I believe prostitution should also be legal, but HEAVILY regulated to protect both the prostitutes and the public health of their users.

    I have no problem with Gay Marriage, but I think that Marriage should not be a government issue AT ALL, straight/Gay/polygamous or otherwise. We should have civil union laws that apply to ALL marriages, but are also available outside of marriage... these would grant access to make medical decisions, joint taxes, etc... all of the LEGAL sides of marriage without the marriage. So, for example, lets say Shoulder and Juegos never get married, they both live bachelor life styles, but when they start getting older they decided to move in together and get a civil union... not out of love, but out of trust, they depend on each-other financially, file their taxes jointly, can make medical decisions for eachother, etc... basically ALL of the legal rights a married couple enjoys... but it has NOTHING to do with their personal lives. In my idea all current marriages registered with the government are converted to civil unions, and any other group of 2 or more legal (and of sound mind) adults can enter a civil union. So Matt and LSB are married... their marriages would be turned into civil unions, but they would still be married based on the religious services they had.... that just would have NOTHING to do with the government...

    I think we need universal health care, mainly because we NEED something, and anything outside of universal is a half measure.... having dealt with our cluttered public healthcare system myself I have bore witness to an insane amount of broken bureaucracy that I think is likely to lead to more financial waste than just opening up the system entirely and without condition. I mean seriously... the process of attaining and MAINTAINING public health insurance is a fucking nightmare, loaded with incompetent employees who suddenly change your status for no reason meaning you can't go to the clinic you always have... and I am not talking about when your insurance starts, but just smack dab in the middle of having it.. suddenly your PCP changes to some massive hospital with 10 hour waits that is a 2 hour drive away. Fixing it back can have you eating up HUNDREDS OF HOURS of paid time from health professionals... it is insanely wasteful, and makes no sense.... it just needs to be all or nothing... and since nothing means turning away a poor child who was shot in a drive-by while going to school... it needs to be ALL.
  10. isturbo1984

    isturbo1984 Whoremonger & Cokefiend

    What about sex? People freely say outlandish things by making jokes all the time, I've noticed. But when you are serious about some things... things can get weird.

    I have been trying to come up with some sort of "title" to give myself when it comes to sex. I usually say "sex advocate and enthusiast." Former sex therapist with a college degree. If you have any questions, feel free to run them by me. Privacy is my specialty... And current amateur pornagraphy entrepreneur with his own adult blog and thousands of followers (working on turning it into a paid site). If you would like to donate any female nude pics of yourself or your gf/spouse, feel free to message me. Again, privacy and desecration is my specialty.

    Politics and religion are the least offensive and interesting things on the planet to me. Obama? Trump? Child murder? Isis? I don't give a fuck.
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  11. thekiller7

    thekiller7 The Seven and Only

    SEX SEX SEX!!!!!
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  12. simplyTravis

    simplyTravis "A nice guy, but looks like a f'n Jedi!"

    Primary Election Results from Today:
    TRUMP: KY, LA
    CRUZ: KS, ME
    SANDERS: KS, NE
    CLINTON: LA

    Cruz is doing a lot better than I thought he would tonight. Maybe a resurgence against Mr. Trump? Rubio did terrible tonight all over. I think the last few weeks most of his supporters have jumped ship to Cruz. I think the establishment Republican money is trying to keep Kasich and Rubio relevant to keep T-Dog and the Tedinator from getting enough delegates for an instant win. They will then try to put in Kasich or Rubio at the convention.

    Sanders still has a lot of ground to cover but it won't matter anyway due to the super delegate situation. He did pretty decent tonight.

    I'm pretty sure sex can be covered in the following thread: http://nintendoenthusiast.com/forum...ce-these-are-a-few-of-my-favorite-things.848/
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  13. isturbo1984

    isturbo1984 Whoremonger & Cokefiend

    Politics and religion it is. Although I will say this... I've never seen anyone get banned for politics and religion topics. So cant be that controversial. :p
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  14. thekiller7

    thekiller7 The Seven and Only

    Awww too bad.
    We were having a good discussion about anal with @FuzzleMint in our group PM. LOL
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  15. mattavelle1

    mattavelle1 Fresh starts now Staff Member Moderator

    So is the goal to be so controversial about something that it's gotta be a bannable offense?
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  16. thekiller7

    thekiller7 The Seven and Only

    YES!
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  17. isturbo1984

    isturbo1984 Whoremonger & Cokefiend

    oh yeah, lol. i had to school him about that. i need to go back and check what was said after i logged out.

    I would hope not. but almost nothing offends me outside of gaming politics. so the radar i use to gague whether or not something is "offensive" or "controversial" is usually how pissed the general concensus is. on a forum... that sometimes comes with a ban. and i havent seen one get attached to politics or religion. just an observation.
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  18. thekiller7

    thekiller7 The Seven and Only

    I like talking edgy. There's so much I wanna say but then I'd get arrested.
    Not warned
    Not banned
    Arrested. Maybe even put on death row.
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  19. mattavelle1

    mattavelle1 Fresh starts now Staff Member Moderator

    Much like Turbo and I. I'm appreciated you telling me exactly who you are. Now I'm curious if your bans over there were warranted or not. But I'll let you keep telling me who you are, and I'll keep believing you. :mthumb:
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  20. mattavelle1

    mattavelle1 Fresh starts now Staff Member Moderator

    Fair enough.
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  21. thekiller7

    thekiller7 The Seven and Only

    Some were warranted. Most weren't.
    I told someone "you don't have to post like a baby"
    BOOM. Banned for a month. Considered flaming... Really a month?
    That was my last ban 9 months ago until last week for the bro hug pic.
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  22. isturbo1984

    isturbo1984 Whoremonger & Cokefiend

    mine werent warranted. 90% of them were for "flaming." pretty much a lack of respect for my opinion and someone wanted me punished for voicing it. The one ban I can say I earned was I posted a pic of animal cruelty.--it wasnt to be cute or "edgy." somebody had something shitty that was anti- animal rights and i said *posted a pic of the aftermath of ivory poaching* "so this is cool to you?" and i got a ban. to my defense, i was unaware of the rule, but it makes sense.

    hey look at that--animal cruelty.--something else other than gaming politics that is offensive to me, lol. thank you, mattavelle for helping me rediscover myself.
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  23. Juegos

    Juegos All mods go to heaven. Staff Member Moderator

    Back on religion and politics:
    I've laid bare my thoughts several times on the CT, so I suppose I should be short here until the convo develops more. In terms of religion, after thinking about it for a long time, the conclusion I came to is that God existing or not existing doesn't really change my life. Morally, I'll live my life the same way whether I decide I'm agnostic, atheist, or Christian (minus the whole church community thing). So for me, the question, "does God exist?" stopped mattering many years ago, but I realized it clearly about a year and a half ago.

    In terms of politics, generally I believe that any system can be good and bad. Capitalism, for example, is great because it rewards people who want to try their best and create things that other people want; but then I hear about Nestle wanting to privatize water. And socialism, or at least the principle behind it of leveling the playing field by redistributing everyone's money, is real damn good in giving us highways and healthcare; but then again, corporate welfare and "too big to fail" financial industries are the clearest example of socialism I can think of, and the results are atrocious.

    In terms of money: I ain't got none!
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  24. thekiller7

    thekiller7 The Seven and Only

    Fuck the world I say. Can't wait for the bombs to drop so we can use that fallout training to survive and prosper. LOL
    (I kid around too much... You know me... Or getting to know me..)
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  25. FriedShoes

    FriedShoes MLG Staff Member Moderator

    Just popping in for a quick thought that I'd like to get a bit more input on.

    From where I've been standing, on a brick wall, taking in every political opinion from college freshmen to retirees, I've come to an interesting conclusion.
    Its clear to me that a lot of Democrats and left-leaning individuals want Trump to win the Republican nomination because they see him as unelectable in the general election.
    At the same time, a lot of Republicans and right-leaning people want Sanders to win the nomination because they see him as unelectable.

    Anyone else notice this train of thought or is it just me and this fucked up city?

    As an aside, I also was blessed to share a lounge with some liberals who said they would vote for Trump in the general election, basically, "for the lulz". I could see a lot of younger conservatives do the same with Bernie if he was in the general election.
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  26. simplyTravis

    simplyTravis "A nice guy, but looks like a f'n Jedi!"

    I actually agree with you there quite a bit. I don't want Sanders in because I don't even want a chance of the guy getting to the Whitehouse to be perfectly honest. I think more people would be likely to vote for Trump for the lulz due to his celebrity-esque status though. Bernie seems more like a scolding grandpa at times.
  27. sjmartin79

    sjmartin79 White Phoenix of the Crown

    In terms of religion, I was brought up in the Bible Belt in a United Methodist church. Services every Sunday, Youth Group every week, church camp in the summer. And it was fine.
    But then came the "Great Revelation" when I came out of the closet. Things changed with how I was treated by a lot of church-going folks.

    I cannot tell you how many times over the last 16 years that I've been told that I'm going to Hell, should be killed off, am sick, am disgusting, have turned my back on God, likened to a pedophile, told that the world would be better off if I weren't in it. And all by people who hold themselves up as Christians, and feel they are doing God's work by informing me of these things.

    I stopped going to Church. My parents were blamed, pitied, and told that if they didn't turn their back on me that they would be having the same fate as me. Thankfully, they are my biggest supporters. Unfortunately, they were made to feel unwelcome by some at the church they had been at for over 20 years.

    Because I don't associate going to Church with a belief in God, none of this shit changed any of my beliefs in a higher power. I still believe in God. I pray on a regular basis. Though I do use the stories in the Bible more as life lessons on how you should treat others (New Testament, not Old) than as actual history. Recently, my parents found a new church they enjoy here in FL. They were welcomed with open arms, and the pastor and people in the church have zero negative things to say about the LGBT community. They've asked Steve2 and I to join them, but I've been hesitant to go. I have no good reason for that other than being battle-weary from the past.

    In my life, I think: believe what you want to believe, as long as it isn't used to attack me or anyone else. I believe people should be free to worship as they want (or not worship if they choose not to), but no one has the right to put their personal beliefs onto others.

    As for politics, that's a whole other post. And I think this is enough for now.
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  28. Odo

    Odo Well-Known Member

    Fighting thread, Fighting thread!!! Yeahhh!!!!!

    My first post is.

    Superman > Batman.


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    :D
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  29. SkywardCrowbar

    SkywardCrowbar Hero of the Wastes

    Politics is actually what I think about most of the time, and used to be almost all I engaged with online. My internet home used to be Twitter, but as some of you may know, the site has at the behest of a certain group of people *coughfeministfrequencycough started banning lots of right wing folks from the site. Anti right censorship is highly prevalent in Europe right now and is spreading through social media. I recently decided to nuke my account and just move on.

    Politically I am unsure of exactly how to describe myself. In general, I am extremely "conservative." I'm very pro capitalism, I believe the government should stay out of the people's affairs and their wallets. My preferred candidate was Rand Paul. As of now, I would gladly vote for either Donald Trump (anti PC crusader and deceptively smart while being tremendously patriotic and tough as nails) or Ted Cruz (principled conservative) for President. Marco Rubio I would hold my nose for.

    In general, I'm very pro western civilization. I firmly believe in Patriarchy. Though I am only now dabbling in Christianity, I believe that the Judeo-Christian tradition of the West combined with capitalism and personal liberty is the path to a bright future. I believe that Islam is wholly incompatible with western civilization and I fully support Donald Trump's proposal to cease Muslim immigration.

    In general I suppose I consider myself "alt-right." I support capitalism ardently, but I also support a measure of protectionism. I believe that immigration will be the downfall of western civilization if we are not very careful about who we allow into our countries and how we assimilate them. I believe cultural Marxism and all of its bitter fruits (feminism, grievance politics, political correctness, apathy, separation from natural/God's laws) is the current chief enemy of civilization as it rots it from within leaving us vulnerable to outside forces such as totalitarian Islam.

    As for social issues, I believe that the government should not meddle in the affairs of private citizens except to enforce rudimentary measures such as that people should murder one another or steal from one another. I do not the legalization of same sex marriage, not because I have any opinion on the matter from a moral perspective, but because I don't believe the government should be involved in marriages. I do believe that all abortion should be outlawed at the Federal level as life begins at conception.

    This is a really rough and loose overview of my political views... Could be a lot more in depth, but I'll just see how this thread plays out first.
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  30. sjmartin79

    sjmartin79 White Phoenix of the Crown

    So, politics... (And let me just say, these are my beliefs. If they are not yours, please understand that my opinions are not intended to offend. Just expressing them. So if any offense is felt, I apologize in advance.)

    Growing up in the Bible Belt with a conservative banker father, I was, of course, raised a Republican. My first Presidential election was for George W. Bush.
    Growing up where I did, voting Republican was just what you did, though I was raised to vote for the candidate, not the party. My parents supported Gov. Caperton in WV, and he was a Democrat, but they believe he was the best candidate for the state, and he turned out to be a great governor for us.

    I grew up in a town of 2000 people, so my world view was limited to that town, books I read, tv I watched, and any travel around the country we did. But, being young, I was also sheltered from a lot of things. It wasn't until college that I really started learning what the words "conservative", "liberal", and "progressive" meant. The internet was now alive and well, and I was able to do a lot of research, as well as being on a large campus, I was exposed to a wide variety of people. College is where you start gravitating to people you find more in common with, instead of high school where you hang out with the people you've been friends with since pre-school.

    In my 20s is really when I solidified my moral and and political views. I'm sure it comes as no shock that I'm a registered Democrat. But because of my parents' wise teachings, I still vote for the candidate, not the party.

    I'm what you might call a Centrist. On social issues like gay marriage, abortion, women's rights, racial issues, immigration issues - I'm very liberal when it comes to all that. For the same reason I don't believe that government should be allowed to have any say in my marriage (and am so glad that the Supreme Court has now made it legal for me to get married - 17 days!), I also believe that the government should have zero say when it comes to a woman's body.

    But in the same breath, I'm also more fiscally conservative. Probably the result of growing up in a banking family. I fully believe that the 1% should pay their fair share in taxes, but I don't believe in Sen. Sanders method of doing things. (I do not feel the bern. After these past 6 months of his idealism filled with unicorns, I am "bernt out".) I am a Capitalist. Our industry, our technology, our business sense - these are major strengths of the US.

    As for candidates, I could never vote for a Republican candidate who uses the Bible to make moral judgments on others, like Cruz does. I think Trump is very dangerous for our country, especially with his views on immigration and Muslims. I have Muslim friends, and I find his rhetoric detrimental to our country. America was founded as the melting pot. Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free. (Rubio has screwed himself out of the nomination, so he's not really worth mentioning.) Also, I'm not voting for Sanders. I appreciate his idealism, but he still needs to be able to get things done.

    I've always felt that when it comes to the Presidential races, we never end up with the best and brightest, because those people know better than to get involved with politics in the first place.
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  31. repomech

    repomech resident remnant robot relic

    Here's my Canadian view in a nutshell:



    :p
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  32. repomech

    repomech resident remnant robot relic

    In all seriousness though, to the surprise of no one I'm sure, I have a number of views about religion, politics and money. Maybe later. Out of curiosity, what do you all peg my views on any of this for? I'm always curious about how what we believe or what views or aspirations for our societies we hold align with how we come across as individuals.
  33. simplyTravis

    simplyTravis "A nice guy, but looks like a f'n Jedi!"

    @repomech I'm pretty sure your beliefs revolve around the Three Laws of Robotics. Now my question is...what order do you believe them?

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    Most likely, we are all doomed!
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  34. repomech

    repomech resident remnant robot relic

    Definitely the fifth option.
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  35. TechnoHobbit

    TechnoHobbit Ash nazg durbatulûk

    I'm an evangelical christian of the calvinist verity. I believe the bible is an inspired work of God and is infallible, this doesn't mean there can't be different interpretation of certain passages, but it in itself is perfect. As such I do my best to live by it's teachings.
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    Politically I'm a pretty mixed bag and don't fit well in any party, though I do usually lean republican. I like compromise and moderation, that's how the government should work. Both "sides" have good ideas and both "sides" need to realize this, we need to set aside party loyalty and work towards actually getting things done. I think it's important that our country doesn't learn to far left or to far right, this will only lead to issues. I'll give more of my thoughts as things pop up, but here are some of the subjects that have been on my mind as of late.

    Many of the issues I disagree with the Republican base on, are issues I don't think should be partisan issues, but rather common sense issues. Take for example I'm staunch environmentalist and conservationist, I think the earth and all life on it is precious, fragile, amazing, and worth protecting. Honestly to me it doesn't matter if global warming is real or not, the earth is still God's gift to us and we should treat it with respect. We are called to be stewards of the earth, not to abuse and destroy it. Not to mention keeping the earth healthy, having clean water, air, and soil, and having areas of natural beauty all vastly improve longevity, health, and over all quality of life. Which leads in to one area I strongly agree with many republicans on, I'm pro-life. I believe all human life, whether it born or unborn, young or old, is worth and required of us to protect and care for.

    I'm a big supporter of immigration (and outside of the Trump and Cruz crew I think most Republicans are), we are a nation of immigrates and that has only worked to our advantage. Though we need to keep working towards making the southern boarder more secure and stop the influx of those coming illegally/coming legally and staying past their time, but once we do that I'm in support of providing legalization (and eventually citizenship) to those who are here illegally as long as they have a clean record (which I'm certain many of them do) and pay back taxes, pay a fine, and so on. I feel it would be immoral to split up families and kick out some of these people who have been here for years. I'm also in support of providing refuge to those from Syria, our vetting system from what I've read, seems to be pretty darn good.

    Foreign policy wise, I usually agree with the more moderate Republicans on. I think we should maintain a good military, I believe it is the best way to keep peace especially with how Russia and China seem to be getting more hungry for power by the week, but actually using it should be a last resort. Also I believe we should lead a coalition to defeat ISIS, with the Kurds and Sunni primarily providing the men on the ground (sending in US ground forces may cause issues to rise) and the US providing the all the logistical, intelligence, special opts, support, and air strikes needed to decimate ISIS.

    Honestly Theodore Roosevelt is a good example of what I like, he had many issues (mostly time related), but he was amazing. He wouldn't fit in either party in this day and age. He was a huge conservationist, he believed in "a quite voice, but with a pointy stick", he worked towards fixing the rift between races, he believed in the free market and free trade, but he wasn't afraid to have some regulations and to take action against people and businesses if they posed a threat to the american people and dream. He did some amazing things.
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    As for the current election process going on, I personally prefer John Kasich. I think it's great how he is willing to work with the Democrats, but is still very conservative at heart. His experience is vast and, while I don't agree with him on a number of issues I trust he has that he has america's best interest at heart. I also appreciate how he isn't just blindly "regulations are bad" and instead supports "common sense regulations", my view of common sense regulations are often different than his (when it comes to the environment at least), but it is a step in the right direction.

    Rubio is my second choice and who I'd vote for in the primary. I feel he lacks experience, but still has the potential to be a very good president. Like with Kasich I don't agree with him on a number of issues, but I really he has that he has america's best interest at heart and would make things better overall.

    Trump... I can't stand this guy. He has no experience, he knows nothing about foreign policy, his plans are shallow, he doesn't think things through, he's rude, he speaks before he thinks, he changes his mind like crazy, he doesn't appear to care about the constitution, he appears to be racist in some areas, he isn't even a conservative, he lies, he is unethical, he's style of leadership is not biblical, and he does not in any way fit with my evangelical christian beliefs. I would never in a million years vote for him.

    Cruz is better than Trump and I guess I can respect his principles, but it would still be against my conscious to ever vote for him. He's honestly everything I dislike about republicans. He takes things way to far to the right and has shown himself unable to work with democrats or even his own party and appears to refuse to compromise. I guess this is ok for a senator from Texas, but as a president? No thank you, I like things to be done.

    Hillary - Everything I dislike about politicians. She appears to be willing to say and do anything to get the nomination, just look at how much she flops around on issues like crazy and how poor of a track record she has when it comes to honesty. And with her current stand point I disagree with her on a large number of issues.

    Sanders - I disagree with him on so many issues, he takes things way to far to the left on many of them. Yet... I can't say I dislike him. He is consistent, he believes in what he says, and he appears to care for the american people deeply. He's also pushing campaign funding reform, which is something I believe deeply in. I couldn't vote for him, but as I'm sure congress would help keep things even I'd honestly rather him become president than Trump or Hillary. Lets hope we don't get to that though.
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  36. thekiller7

    thekiller7 The Seven and Only

    Technohobbit I love you!!!!I miss you!!!!
    You were supposed to send me a veggie recipe with mushrooms and olives and broccoli!!!!





    Religion.... I'm my own religion for now.
    But i was raised Catholic and kicked out after communion when you eat the cracker cause I'd ask questions about space and aliens and robots.

    I've studied other religions over the years and even took courses in Scientology... Does that make me Scientologist??? Maybe. It's ok. I consider myself a believer in hope and family more than anything.
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  37. Shoulder

    Shoulder Shouldy McShoulderface chippin' in

    This post is about religion and God.

    I was baptized Catholic as a baby (largely because of my grandparents), but after 4th grade, I was taken out of Catholic School (my Mom thought I was not getting the help I needed, and I found out later there were a lot of politics involved for other things, so she pulled me out of there) and into Public School, and my world changed. I saw people who did not believe in what I originally did. I also started picking up on things outside of religion, and it really wasn't until around my Junior year of HS I started really questioning not only Catholicism, but Religion in general. I started thinking things like, if we are to say that God is infallible, then why are there different religions? Wouldn't God only have one religion for everyone? These were just a couple of the things I started questioning, and it was further questioned when I started paying attention to issues across the world, such as the War in Iraq, Al-Queda, Islam, and how those issues pertain to things here in America.

    I want to be clear though; I am not against religion. Quite the opposite in fact. Over time, I've learned that it is possible to use Religion as a means of leading better lives IF AND ONLY IF everyone else does not force it onto others. Let the people decide what they want to believe in. Again, it's perfectly justifiable for anyone to believe in what they want to believe, but if and only if you do not force your beliefs onto others. This is where I can get a bit anti-religion because of people like that, but I also understand that the vast majority of folks would never force their beliefs onto others.

    In the end, I abstain from religion as it doesn't appear to follow my own belief system (I also ask too many questions as you'll see below). I don't know whether or not a "God" exists, and quite frankly, I don't know if it would do me any good to know the truth. I mean, just for the sake of argument here, if God is all-powerful, all-knowing, and infallible as some suggest, and he creates us in our own image, then wouldn't that also imply he knows our destiny and our mindset? In other words, he knows before we know? I mean, he's infallible right? He's supposed to be this infinite being, correct? So he must know that at some point people will learn to question him, or perhaps go against whatever teachings were written down in texts thousands of years old. People might say that's not what God would want you to do, but what if it was? Not to mention the fact we have people born with deformities, diseases, cancer, among other things. What kind of God would allow that to happen? Or is that all part of his grand and divine plan? Or that he allows the good to die young, but let pricks live forever? If you ask me, that would mean that God is much of a prick as some of these assholes in our world, and he deserves none of my respect. Then why call him a God then?

    I'm such a cheerful person, aren't I? :msmile:

    In all seriousness though, I'm always willing to sit down and have a thought-provoking discussion with people about stuff like this. I know I don't know everything, nor I ever will.
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  38. TechnoHobbit

    TechnoHobbit Ash nazg durbatulûk

    Honestly Cruz trying to sabotage Rubio in Florida is making me mad, as are all these anti-Trump people calling for Rubio to drop out before Florida (though in all fairness these people likely don't know the situation well). The issue is, Floridians love to vote early. As of two days ago over 700K Republicans ballots have already been cast. The only person who can possibly beat Trump in Florida is Rubio at this point.

    At this point I feel safe saying it is nearly impossible for Cruz (the person people are trying to rally behind) to outright beat Trump and if Trump wins Florida it will be impossible. Outside of North Carolina Cruz will likely gain no delegates on Super Tuesday 3.0, while 120 will likely be the low end of Trump's haul (220 if he wins Florida and 280 if he also wins Ohio). This will make it very hard for Cruz to catch up let alone reach the magic number of 1,237.

    A contested convention is the best shot to keep Trump from the nomination and the easiest way to get to that contested convention is for Ohio and Florida to be won by Kasich and Rubio respectively. If this happens it will be nearly impossible for anyone to get to 1,237 and it may actually keep everyone significantly away from that number (which will make folks losing smoother for everyone at the convention). If Trump wins one or both of those states, my best case scenario I can come up with is Cruz just narrowly denying Trump the nomination by 100-200 delegates and leading to contested convention anyway (one that will make Trump supporters far more angry).
  39. sjmartin79

    sjmartin79 White Phoenix of the Crown

    I truly believe that a contested convention for either party is a horrible idea. The voters of the candidate who loses out on contested convention feel cheated, and a majority could stay home in November, or there's the chance that they could vote for the other party out of spite. (Small chance, but you never know what people with hurt feelings will do.)

    Also, if Trump loses out on a contested convention, he'll feel cheated, and I think there's a good chance he could go 3rd party, and than that is another crack in the split of the GOP.

    The 2016 elections will, more than likely, change the face of politics for many years.
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  40. Shoulder

    Shoulder Shouldy McShoulderface chippin' in

    So I'm asking purely as a curious person, but let's say Trump wins the nomination, and becomes the Republican nominee. Are you still going to vote Republican for the sake of voting republican, or will you vote democrat?
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  41. TechnoHobbit

    TechnoHobbit Ash nazg durbatulûk

    I would vote for a third party candidate or possibly even just vote for a write in candidate. I couldn't bring myself to vote for either one.
    A contested convention is not something I had wanted to see at all, for reasons you mentioned, but I'd rather that happen then Trump getting the nomination.

    I feel Trump getting the nomination would split the Republican party just as bad as a contested convention and have a more permanent effect. He will arguably lose as many people as he brings in. Despite what he claims in every victory speech, he does poorly in the polls against Hillary nationally and in many swing states. He is also winning primaries by narrower margins than we have ever seen in this era of politics for a republican. If Trump wins I fear the Republican party may never fully recover, he being essentially the "face" of the party will set an example that will push away the more moderates such as myself and cause the party to shift towards the more extreme end in ways I think most of us can agree are not good. If we can get someone like Kasich (or to a lesser extent Rubio) to be the nomination the Republican party will likely gain people to help make up for the lost Trump fans, Trump likely won't be able to do this. A lot of people have already formed an opinion on him or will by the end of the primaries, his base is dedicated but limited.
  42. simplyTravis

    simplyTravis "A nice guy, but looks like a f'n Jedi!"

    So, I'm currently watching tonight's debate (a bit late since I forgot it was on tonight) and really liked Trump and Cruz's answer on dealing with education which I happen to be quite invested in.

    They both want to obliterate the National Department of Education and amen to that! They both want to allow more school choice and allow more charter schools which is great. I work for the biggest charter system in the world. We work out teachers to death. I have never witnessed harder working teachers. We also spend less money by repurposing old buildings such as abandoned grocery stores and wal-marts and generally spend 80% of what a normal public school spends. I may make a post about this and explain the whole point of a charter school soon since most people are unsure what they are exactly. Until then, think public school you have to sign up for. Its free! (paid with state taxes, no tuition)

    The reason why I am against the National Department of Education is because they essentially send out ransom notes to your local school systems. It is mostly, "If you don't do A, B, and C in our overly specific and hard to interpret way then you don't get money." The school then become dependent on that money. Then the feds come back and say, "Oh, now you need to make change D, E, and F. Hire 10% more staff, fill out these 20 new forms per kid which you don't have time for, form multiple committees to discuss these legalese bullet points or you don't get that money." Local and State level education is not that way. There is far more oversight than the Federal Government can provide and it is much more common sense based on local industries.
  43. theMightyME

    theMightyME Editor in Chief of TVEnthusiast

    that might be a very good thing lol... the republican vote would be split, and the democrat would end up winning by a landslide.... but that isn't even what I think is the best part.. we need to get away from our 2 party system... and while trump's party wouldn't necesarily be what i would want, the very nature of a high profile political party split could set a precedent in which a political party outside of the big 2 has a reasonable chance at success in more offices....

    of course it could take the other slant and an overwhelming democratic victory could make the republican party come together as a more unified beast, putting the possibility of a reasonable 3rd party further outside of our reach

    but hoenstly, I still think the ebst thing that could happen political would be for democrats and republicans that are closer to eachother in the middle pull away from their respective parties and form a credible 3rd party that can evolve in a different direction....

    things work better in balance with 3 than 2... it becomes rock paper scissors... if 2 of the 3 parties agree, the more insane idea from the 3rd doesn't succeed, instead of 2 equal forces split on an issue... we have 3 branches of government so they can check eachother... we should ahve the same with political parties... that way there might be times in which the republicans and the democrats have to work together against the 3rd party... rathger than opposing each other by nature.
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  44. simplyTravis

    simplyTravis "A nice guy, but looks like a f'n Jedi!"

    After all of the talk going around about how much of a fascist Trump is, it was interesting to see who the real fascists were that shut down free speech tonight.

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/11/politics/donald-trump-chicago-protests/index.html

    MoveOn.org and Sanders voters are the ones claiming that they did it. @juegosmajicos was completely right that it was something planned and MoveOn was the one that did it. I don't think the Sanders voters were anything more than a pawn. Be wary guys. You are being used.

    The thing that ticks me off more is the fact that the news was so quick to point out how this was going to happen because of the Trump supporters. If you read the headlines and not the story you would actually think that the Trump supporters were the ones who started this whole mess.

    When I see Sanders supporters today disagreeing with this then I know something is wrong. Trump is going to get a huge chunk of vote tomorrow and these useful idiots don't realize that by being the fascists they are will be the cause of it.

    I'm extremely against socialism and communism and you are witnessing how it starts. They quell freedom of speech by force and create anarchy. Look into the history of nearly any communist regime and you will see the stepping stone of socialism or democratic socialism.

    I'll get off my high-horse for now but you can't tell me that something doesn't seem extremely wrong with this situation.
  45. Juegos

    Juegos All mods go to heaven. Staff Member Moderator

    Doesn't it seem too convenient that Trump and Bernie both get hit with the same stone on this? A whole bunch of people are duped into going out there to do this, and a few of them bust out Bernie signs, and this is enough for the public to see both Trump and Bernie in a negative light (more than they already are). If the voters had Cruz signs, I still wouldn't pay any attention to it because I remember too many incidents of paid thugs infiltrating protests in Mexico, and turning them violent to incite a response from the police and the media.

    My point is: if you are willing to second-guess one idea presented to you (that Trump supporters incited the violence), then you should be willing to second-guess the other idea they also are presenting to you (that it was Bernie supporters because the dudes were holding Bernie signs). Once it becomes a media event, don't believe anything about it.

    My personal feelings about it: it's sad that people (seemingly) got pushed into a protest that was a designated media event, and it's also unavoidable because people that have been under economic stress for extended periods of time tend to be easy to push into violence.
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  46. mattavelle1

    mattavelle1 Fresh starts now Staff Member Moderator

    And yet people are still following a guy who's talking about dick size, shoot Mexicans on stage, and tourture out in public like these are the things were looking for in a presidential nomine. Just think about those few ignorant things for a min..........it should sink in your a smart guy..........yep you got it. People who think very very simply think talking about dick size, shooting Mexicans on stage and wrasslin them, and tourture are actually issues. And the politicians like trump and sanders are talking to uneducated people WHO IS the majority to get them into office like it or not. I just don't want you to fall into this trap because your smarter than that.

    Now on the Sanders side he's also addressing uneducated people, but he's telling them how much better they can have it if they get all this free stuff and make the white man feel there pain of living in ghettos.

    When you put these to very basic people together at such extremes your gonna have mad conflict and major trouble.

    And I guess what bothers me the most is America has accepted that the way these guys talk, and are is ok for our president. When what we should be accepting is a president who inspires us to be better to one another reguardless of who you vote for. We should never accept any of these ass clowns because obviously they are exciting people to fight, riot and hender free speech.

    And what happens when they get elected? Well they know they got pretty sturdy mobs behind them that will do there bidding just as long as they can hear a guy "really speak his mind". Oh and the 3rd viable candidate we have is a criminal.

    Please TNE for the good of all things please open your eyes and see what they have placed infront of us and are calling them "potential presidential material". Until we change they will not. We can not buy into this simple talk from either side because we are smarter than that.

    We have got to get interested in real issues and policy's and who is gonna get American back to a really good spot. With any of these potential "presidents" we all lose.
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  47. simplyTravis

    simplyTravis "A nice guy, but looks like a f'n Jedi!"

    You do remember I'm a big Ted Cruz fan, right? Also, if you question Cruz's status to run I suggest reading up about it in this article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...01/07/yes-ted-cruz-is-a-natural-born-citizen/

    If you want a more liberal source then go here where it talks about what the Board of Elections found http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ted-cruz-natural-born-illinois_us_56b10542e4b0a1b96203f393

    While I'm extremely pro-Cruz, Trump will get my vote as a backup because of illegal immigration issues (he talks about building wall then opening up far more legal immigration which is not talked about at all) and international trading. I can't go Hillary or Sanders at all because their politics don't line up with me. Rubio and Kasich are non-entities.

    Also, if you look into the history of political discourse this race is not so different.

    http://www.neatorama.com/2008/01/28/5-nastiest-us-presidential-elections-in-history/

    And that's just the presidential elections. Local/State level ones would get crazy.

    As far as talking about willy sizing look into the history of LBJ. The guy would use it to intimidate foreign leaders and talk about it all the time. It's kinda creepy. Also, the thing was a jab brought about by Rubio which, I think, has been the lowest of the low in this election.

    But I do agree with you that lots of people are being used on both sides right now. That is what is infuriating me. The fact that people are proud they shut down freedom of speech is extremely bothersome more so than just simply being used.

    Also, the amount of lies that have been thrown by the media and various campaigns this election have been worse than I've seen in the past. You can't trust anyone in the media because they are pushing for certain candidates and our social media walls read like an edition of Pravda.

    I've listened to interviews that are more than soundbytes or excerpts from each candidate. (By the way, listening opposed to watching has been shown to give different "wins" in debates so to speak. You listen to what they say more if you hear it on radio than if you watch on tv where you focus on looks and behavior) I've researched their platforms and the way they will achieve said platforms. I could care less if the guy that agrees with candidate A B or C is a moron. That isn't what I'm interested in. I want someone who will bring back more state rights, get rid of as much corruption as possible, bring back jobs/factories to American soil, and actually fix the massive immigration problem.
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  48. simplyTravis

    simplyTravis "A nice guy, but looks like a f'n Jedi!"

    I think everyone in here needs a group hug right now. I figured this thread would get heated. It's been great discussion though. Quick time out then we'll get back to work!

    [​IMG]
    "F*** politics, I love you guys."
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  49. FriedShoes

    FriedShoes MLG Staff Member Moderator

    I'm working on something.
    If only I had some decent spy audio equipment.
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  50. mattavelle1

    mattavelle1 Fresh starts now Staff Member Moderator

    It's funny to me that people are voting on walls / immigration / bringing jobs back. It's funny because it's literally the exact same thing every election, and nothing happens........like ever. The job of house / congress / president has be devolved into not working for people but working for self make no mistake about that.

    And I really don't care who you like or who you vote for. I just don't want my friends to be ignorant to them treating and talking to us ignorantly. Because we should be well past the point of talking about walls you know why? It probably should have been done years and years ago.

    On the point of people being excited they stopped the freedom of speech no they didn't. They protested and it was Trumps campaign themselves who decided to call it off. Who won? Who cares because now you got so much finger pointing and you don't know the truth that it's all lost.

    You know the difference between Sanders and Trump supporters? There is no difference at all, there the exact same people just on different sides of the spectrum. These are the 2 most liberal canadites I've ever seen in my life. One of them is allowing old men to knock out kids at his rally and the other is allowing riots to start at other rally's.

    You might wonder why all this is happening. Well the canadites are showing there power. It's just like havin poker chips and the more you have the more you can flex your muscle. Last night was an "all in" and you saw the rally shut down. Who knows what the republicans pull next to flex there muscle back. Please don't be fooled by all of this.

    We all losing as the American people because we should still be looking at one another as neighbors with different views. But we can't get past "our team winning" to be able to help one another.
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