In this week’s installment of The Score, we hear your thoughts on who should profit off of gaming-related Youtube videos.

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The Score: Who should profit off of gaming-related Youtube videos?

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Your Responses

Watching a Youtube video isn’t a substitute for playing a video game and often times it’s a supplement to playing one, like when I go on to find that last star coin in the latest Mario game using a video that some guy put together as a walkthrough.  Those kinds of videos offer up something that Nintendon’t (yeah, I did that).  Let’s play videos are different though and I think the purpose of the video should be taken into account.  Walkthroughs or videos meant to convey the experience a person had with a piece of software should be left alone while videos that simply play the game and talk about what is happening are just cashing in on what Ninten…does.

-Alienfish

I feel like the question is incomplete. First of all, I think any video that’s just a VGM should not be able to be monetized. I love listening to music on YouTube all the time but it is directly taking material from another source so I’m happy that we still have some amount of music on YouTube at all. The second thing is the age of the game. I’d say that if the game is 3+ years old there should not be any issues. And finally, LPs, reviews, and other things of the sort. If the uploader’s voice is in the video extensively they should be to monetize it no matter what. Plain and simple is that.

-Deraj626

I see both sides, but listening to self entitled manchildren absolutely whine like babies because they thought the cash cow of sitting at home and playing video games would last for the rest of their lives, it makes me wish Nintendo would headstomp the lot of them. They cry and moan like its biggest cry against humanity, the killing fields of Cambodia where millions where merciless tortured and murdered in horrific ways pales in to comparison to their suffering.

 

On the other hand their are some people that do more content related stuff that I do like on youtube, dont care for watching people playing other than maybe for a minute ot two to see gameplay in action.

 

There is this dude, who has ‘Nintendo3DS’ channel on youtube, he tells the story of Nintendo of how Nintendo they contacted him about his channel and offered him free stuff for the channel, he decided to keep it and they were cool about it and didnt send in the lawyers or take it by force which they could have done if they really wanted too. http://youtu.be/D0PMlKNmAc8

-Wanderlei

The content creators, as long as they are within fair use.

-AndreasSunde

I don’t think every video with footage of a game merits the company who made it getting money for it. On the other hand, however, I also don’t think people should be able to get money for doing “Let’s Plays” or longplay videos of them just playing through a game. That’s kind of absurd.

-Jesse Moak

Content creators should get all of the profits. Game has been paid for by someone already rewarding the devs and publishers, and the people who put the effort into doing something creative with that should be rewarded too. There is nothing in the copyright license to merit a games company with royalties. It’s all free promotion and they should be flattered if anything considering it’s such an over saturated market – most artists in any other field get completely overlooked! Along with a whole host of other reasons, we should all be so lucky to have someone do something creative with our work!

-Daniel Saunders

The people who are making the videos should get the money.

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Let’s plays are free advertising for the game so the creator of the let’s plays should get the money from it

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The viewers

-Seth VanBrunning

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Staff Responses

In essence, I believe that if you’ve done work, then you should be compensated for it.

When I think about Youtube content creators, I think about the LPers who spend hours editing through and commentating their videos. I think about the reviewers, who have to go through the game capturing footage and writing a script. I think about the trivia videos, where the collaborator had to do research about everything said in the video.

People have this perception that putting up videos onto Youtube is easy, but this is absolutely not true. Many dedicate their lives to it, and their lives would crumble without the income they’ve been counting on.

You guys are treating these people as if they’re man-babies, but in reality they are just people doing a job, with a product to sell. If you don’t want to support it, don’t watch the videos. It seems like the real man-baby thing to do is try to use the system to prevent the people from making money.

Here’s something to think about: If making videos is SO illegal, if these videos hurt the game industry SO much, if it’s SO ethically wrong, then why allow them in the first place? I can’t stand this middle ground, and I think it’s pathetic that we’re saying making these videos are illegal in all cases, unless you don’t profit off of them.

People pirating movies are breaking the law whether they’re making money or not.

Personally, I believe that these people are not breaking the law. In fact, when people post a video they are not posting the game online for others to download. They are posting a CHANGED product, as it is not in the exact same form it was found in. The game has been augmented with cuts, commentary, and other things which make it that much more LEGAL for the people to profit off of the videos.

-Elia (Paleselan)

I think the notion of people making a living on Youtube is odd. I understand the free enterprise system, but when I was 19 I was making Youtube videos for fun. I didn’t care about money or anything, I just did it for the hell of it. I broke into the journalism realm over 2 years ago, and why did I do it? For fun. It was fun working with a smaller site, playing games, giving my opinion. I still worked a 40 hour a week job for income, but I would get thrown free games and that felt amazing to me. Companies believed in me and wanted to hear what I had to say, so I was proud of what I was doing.

Now since joining this site, I’m not only am I getting the chance to speak to a much larger audience, and not only do I get games, but I get compensated for it as well with everything I do. I still work my 40 hour a week job, and now I have extra incentive to work hard and do the best news, articles, and reviews for one of the biggest Nintendo sites there is. Could I quit my job and expand that? I’m sure I could. It would be a nice dream. However, I live in reality, where I know that tomorrow is not guaranteed. To have a sense of entitlement that Youtube owes me and companies are taking away from me is ludicrous. I’m sure its a great feeling waking up every day being your own boss by making videos, but did people honestly think this would fly for the rest of their lives? Did they have no back up plan?

Basically, I honestly don’t have much sympathy for the people who threw all their eggs into one basket with Youtube because of one thing. They didn’t look at the bigger picture Look at the AngryVideoGameNerd. He made videos and turned it into an empire, where he doesn’t have to rely on Youtube vids for income. He branded himself. If these guys are talented enough, websites will be fighting to get their services because that will increase viewership and increase THEIR revenue. So at the end of the day, I don’t really see it as Big Brother collecting what’s theirs, I see it as the times changing.

-Shawn Long (SirNintendo)

Lets Play videos main point of interest is the content they did not create, the game.  Lots of people put in a lot of effort to make those games, to write, animate, and render those cut scenes these youtube videos make their money on.  Should the makers of these games not be compensated for their contribution?  I have no issue with people making Lets Play videos.  I do, however, take issue with them making a profit off of them.  Lets Play videos, like music videos and fan trailers, are a product of fandom, and as such have their own rewards.  Profiting on those acts of fandom is just wrong in my opinion, it is sleazy and unethical.  A youtube video of a game like Mario may not cut into the game’s profits, but what about games like heavy rain which are really just visual novels.  Would it be ok for me to MST3K the new Hobbit movie in its entirety, post the entire thing on youtube, and then monetize it with ads?  I have no permission to use that material.  I haven’t bought the rights.  No agreement was made with the studio and people behind the film.  So what right do I have to not only repost their content outside of their own revenue generating streams, but to even profit off of my re-posting.  It is wrong.

There are really 2 issues here.  1, re-posting without permission.  2, profiting on the repost without compensating the original party.  Issue number 1 is typically seen as acceptable… but there are aspects of it that are wrong as well.  As an artist, the idea that somebody could take my work and re-post it with some of their own content is both flattering and aggravating.  It is my work, and yet I have no control, I could make a drawing of a boy and it could end up being used as a promotion image for Nambla.  As an Atheist, I would be offended if something I did was used to promote Christianity.  As somebody who hates boy bands and pop, I would be offended by my works somehow benefiting Justin Bieber.  I have no control.  That is a scary thing, but if it is just used by fans of my own work to geek out over my work than I am more than happy to lend it out.  The second issue the bigger one, why should somebody else profit off my work where I do not?  If a fan of my work compiled it, added a letter at the end analyzing it, and then released it for free I would be concerned that my content was put out for free against my wishes.  However, if that same guy did the same thing, but SOLD it for his own profit I would be FURIOUS.

The thing is, I have made Anime Music Videos using both a song I don’t have the rights to, and anime I don’t have the rights to.  I have made fan trailers for movies I like.  I have made and distributed background wallpapers for shows, movies, bands, etc.  But I never profited off of them.  The thought of doing so never even occurred to me.  Considering the concept now just makes me feel dirty.  I have no right to do so.  Hell I have no right to even make the videos and such in the first place.  But that is overlooked by the original creators because it is flattering to them, it isn’t harmful to them, and it is just harmless fandom.  But to profit off of them, I would have no right, and they would have every right to be angry.

An argument can be made that making these videos takes work… I know it does… as Is aid.. I have made music videos, fan trailers, etc…  There IS a reward for those though, attention, prestige, perhaps even prizes from a competition.  But to monetize it… it is just wrong.  And I have no sympathy for those who have had their videos pulled.  I would have no issue if my own videos are pulled, and I DON’T make money on them.  As a fan I know that my work based on theirs is a product of fandom, and NOT my own intellectual property, and I understand that the existence of my work is entirely at the mercy of those who own the original material.  I am good with that.  If I wanted to monetize, or have security for my hard work I would create ORIGINAL content.  Sometimes I do.

-Tyson Gifford (TheMightyMe)

 

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Written by Elia Pales

Elia Pales owns pretty much every single product Nintendo puts out, and due to his impulsive tendencies, he also tends to purchase every gaming product put out in general. When not gaming, he’s probably running cross country or writing. He makes sure to take regular gaming breaks, though.

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